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Conference call 11 June 2020
by Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org 10 Jun '20

10 Jun '20

Dear all, thanks for filling out the doodle. The most convenient date is on the holiday. Thanks for taking the time. So our next conference call will be on Thursday, 11 June 9:00-10.30 am CET. Please find the access details for Zoom below. Best, Johanna ------ Topic: Conference call No patents on seeds! Time: Jun 11, 2020 09:00 AM Vienna Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81793581608?pwd=cjBMVjBmcVFkY0pCbDZieFpsU0tjZz09 Meeting ID: 817 9358 1608 Password: 954676 One tap mobile +4312535501,,81793581608#,,1#,954676# Austria +4312535502,,81793581608#,,1#,954676# Austria Dial by your location +43 12 535 501 Austria +43 12 535 502 Austria +43 670 309 0165 Austria +43 72 011 5988 Austria +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Germantown) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) Meeting ID: 817 9358 1608 Password: 954676 Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kdsDNt007p Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed From: Npos_2018 [mailto:npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de] On Behalf Of Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:21 PM To: npos_2018(a)testbiotech.de Subject: [Npos_2018] Conference call Dear all, detailed minutes of today's conference call will follow. In short: The Board of the Administrative Council meets on 28 May (to prepare the meeting of the AC on 30 June). So we agreed to finalise our letter asap and send it to the Board of the Administrative Council tomorrow. We want to have another conference call in 2 weeks. Could you please fill out the doodle until this Thursday (28 May) / 1 pm so that we can fix a date Thursday afternoon? https://doodle.com/poll/2r3tuuy6si3byn6y (11 June = holiday in some countries) Best, Johanna Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed

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short update on Council in June
by Christoph Then 29 May '20

29 May '20

Dear all, I was told, the AC in June will not take any decisions. I think we should keep on pushing, but as soon as there is a proper and transparent process, we can follow and be more relaxed. So today I send the letter to Committee on Patent Law and VP5 of EPO. have nice (maybe longer) weekend! Christoph

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Minutes Conference Call 26 May 2020
by Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org 28 May '20

28 May '20

Dear all, please find attached the minutes of our last conference call. Christoph and I agreed that for our conference calls I keep the minutes short and mainly just summarize the results of our discussions. I hope that works for you. Best, Johanna Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed

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Social media
by Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org 28 May '20

28 May '20

Dear all, today another posting of our weekly series on patent cases has been published. This time the patent on basil. The Facebook postings work quite well, but we could need a bit more attention on Twitter. Would be great if you could share! Thank you! <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed The most important new patent cases can now as well be found on our homepage under "Patent cases". Best, Johanna Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed

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further update from the AC and German ministry
by Christoph Then 28 May '20

28 May '20

Dear all I received another note from Josef Kratochvil: > It is not likely there will be a physical meeting of the AC at end of June. The whole situation will delay any decision making. We should not be afraid of quick decisions. > we should think about to run oppositions against the patents we mentioned, also thinking about oppositions in Czech Republic which are supposed to be very cheap, we might look for some companies/ organisations to do so (I do not think we can afford - but this shows, our examples work) The problem with Unified Patents still should be followed. (I wonder if Katherine would like to discuss this with Austrian government? I again can try to render attention in German Bundestag) I also received a short not from German Ministry (Pakuscher) stating they will read with case, as always. Cheers Christoph

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further updates: Dolder
by Christoph Then 28 May '20

28 May '20

Patent attorney Dolder gave a short opinion on G3/19 in German (see below) In short he says: > the EBoA should have taken into account decisions of the ECJ which requests that laws can render their intended effects (I am not sure if relevant for EPC). > the decision G3/19 should also extent to older cases (indeed, the document as prepared by the former President gives some explanations which are in contradiction with G3/19 - however the G3/19 gives some reasons: They say that their decision is not just an interpretation of the EPC which already was valid all the time. This is mentioned by former President as a reason why 28(2) has to be applied to all pending case. G3/19 says, the meaning of law has been changing within last years [due to no patents on seeds ;-)]. Therefore, they want to introduce a transitional period. I think this will require further debates) smart wording of the claims can easily allow to escape rule 28 (2). (in this regard, he mostly refers to patents on selection of plants which are still allowable. We might re-discuss if we should again raise this problem - our current position is that these patents should not be granted. However, they are not as strong as patents on products.) I sent him our letter and asked for further comments. "Auf den letzten vier Seiten endlich höchst widerwillig die vernünftige Anwendung von Art. 53 (b) anerkannt und den absoluten Blödsinn von G 2/12 und G 2/13 widerrufen und sich dabei fast die Zunge abgebissen vor Widerwillen. Leider ohne die Doktrin des “effet utile” oder den Grundsatz der Effektivität (so nunmehr der EuGH) oder den gesunden Menschenverstand zu erwähnen: EuGH (Zweite Kammer), 21. Juni 2017(*), ECLI:EU:C:2017:484 26 Der Grundsatz der Effektivität erfordert hinsichtlich der Verfahrensmodalitäten für Klagen, die den Schutz der dem Bürger aus dem Unionsrecht erwachsenden Rechte gewährleisten sollen, dass diese Modalitäten die Ausübung der durch die Unionsrechtsordnung verliehenen Rechte nicht praktisch unmöglich machen oder übermäßig erschweren (vgl. in diesem Sinne insbesondere Urteil vom 10. April 2003, Steffensen, C‑276/01, EU:C:2003:228, Rn. 60 und die dort angeführte Rechtsprechung). Die von der Gr BK angeordnete Nichtrückwirkung verstösst zudem in flagranter Weise gegen den Erlass des Verwaltungsrats, also des Gesetzgebers, vom Juni/Juli2017. Mit Rechtssicherheit (natürlich immer nur zugunsten der Patentinhaber, nicht auch der Patentkonsumenten !) hat dies nichts zu tun: Denn alle Patentanmelder / Patentinhaber mussten schon vor 2017 jederzeit damit rechnen, aber umgekehrt auch alle Patentkonsumenten (NGOs) durften schon vor 2017 jederzeit hoffen, dass Art. 53 (b) endlich vernünftig und zum vollen Nennwert, also auch auf Erzeugnisse des smart breeding, angewendet werden würde. Dass die Entscheidung G 3/19 leider in der Praxis der Saatgutmultis nicht viel verändern wird, da Art. 53 (b) viel zu leicht durch smart claim drafting umgangen werden kann, habe ich bereits auf den letzten zwei Seiten meiner amicus curiae dargelegt."

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further reaction
by Christoph Then 27 May '20

27 May '20

we were advised to sen our letter to Committee on Patent Law putting, VP5 (I think this the respective departement in EPO, we already had contact) and the President of the EPO. I will prepare to do so. I will also ask them for reactions and then, after double checking, we could proceed with final letter to all members of the AC. I will not to it today, so if you have further comments, let me know.

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German letter sent and first reaction
by Christoph Then 27 May '20

27 May '20

Dear all please see German letter as sent. Further, we already received a first answer from the chairman of the AC, Mr. Kratochvil, stating: "Dear Mr Then, Let me to thank you for your letter and inform you that according to the EPC (Art.28) the Board of the Administrative Council is by far not the body relevant to discuss legal matters of whatever nature (unless mandated by the Council). As you know perfectly well, the EPOrg disposes with CPL, advisory body to the Council on patent legal matters. The maximum what I can do is to INFORM about receiving of your letter. Yours sincerely, J.Kratochvil" So I guess our letter arrived and we can look forward for some more reactions ... :-) I have to admit, I am not so sure about the role of the Board, however, having looked to the Calendar of the EPO, I was not aware of any other official meeting to prepare the meeting of the Council. At least we did not miss this meeting with potential relevance.

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letter sent
by Christoph Then 27 May '20

27 May '20

please if needed, use the version as attached

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final letter for sending
by Christoph Then 27 May '20

27 May '20

Thanks fo your comments and especially to Johanna to detect final mistakes. this is the version I now will using for official communication. Still 15 Minutes to stop me...

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