October 2021 - Npos_2018 - lists.testbiotech.de

second version of the petition in German and English
by Christoph Then 01 Nov '21

01 Nov '21

Dear all please see the slightly revised version of the petition - now also in English. I will not work again on the text again before we had our zoom conference Tuesday next week. So this is the version we can discuss during the meeting and then take further decisions. Cheers Christoph

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! erster Entwurf der Meldung zu Carlsberg (sorry text in German) & plan for release next week
by Christoph Then 29 Oct '21

29 Oct '21

Dear all please send a first round of comments till evening today (sorry this is only in German, but English will follow). I guess we should publish mid of next week, informing WeMove, the brewers, the breeder and maybe selected journalists. But before contacting others we would need a deadline for the embargo. Maybe Wednesday 9 a.m.? There also was a question from Judith on the reasons why Carlsberg takes this step - we only can guess (see text of the release) There was the idea from Dagmar how to go on with our public communication on barley and beer if we loose - I think we should first wait for further reaction from Carlsberg. We should better know their position. Maybe Erling should give them a call? Cheers Christoph

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Document from the EPO
by Christoph Then 29 Oct '21

29 Oct '21

dear all so far I was not aware of the document from September 2020 from EPO which can be seen as a reaction to our interpretation of G1/08 and G2/07 (see attached). It argues in more detail why the EPO thinks that random mutations are regarded patentable inventions, while naturally occurring mutations have to be excluded. I think the document shows that we have to argue in more detail on irradiation and it should be taken into account in our own argumentation / oppositions / political demands on national laws. It is strange that in our talks with the EPO, this document was not mentioned (it also might have escaped my attention). We just received it now via the German brewers organisation which had a meeting with the experts from Luxembourg. As far as I can see, document does not invalidate our arguments regarding the headnote of the decision G1/08 and G2/07, as presented in the conference at the German ministry of justice (random mutations typically does not result directly in a trait, but deserves further crossing and selection), but it may weaken our position if we do not address it correctly. On the other hand, the document shows, that the EPO is well aware of the problems we raised. I would expect that also the EPO sees the need for further clarification, especially if Member States raise the demand. In addition, the document also refers to the disclaimer (we discussed). It confirms that native traits might be excluded from patentability. Very short again on this topic: Is this helpful? In the case of Carlsberg it is useless. The mutations were generated at random, but not found in native traits. More interesting: In the case of the bushy melon, the melon plant as found in the home garden, is not claimed as invention. However, further breeding without changing the decisive characteristics, turns it into an invention. Therefore, the varieties brought to the market by BASF can not be used by other breeders for developing new varieties. But the disclaimer maybe helpful, if the breeder would have access to the native trait. In conclusion, the disclaimer might bring some benefits in some cases, but does not solve the problem. If we talk about the scope of patents from New GE (CRISPR) to be extended to random mutations and conventional breeding, generally, the disclaimer solution does seem to be crucial. Anyway, currently it is not applied and its future role is vague, as it based on case by case awareness of the examiners. So sorry for these technical details. I think we should be aware off, but, at this stage, it should not take our whole attention. Much more we should try to build up more public / political pressure to move ahead the overall process. Cheers Christoph

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good news on Carlsberg
by Christoph Then 28 Oct '21

28 Oct '21

Dear all we received a letter from Carlsberg. They want their (second) patent EP2384110 to be revoked (see attachment). They also want the public hearing in June to be cancelled. I can not find similar communication on the third patent EP2575433 - so it is not yet clear whether this is the end of the Carlsberg saga. The process is not so easy: I think they can not simply ask for immidiate revocation. The Board of Appeal might proceed without Carlsberg participating. So it is too early to conclude whether the hearing will take place. But anyway, this is some success, it also might be that the other brewing companies put pressure on Carlsberg. so let us prepare for some media release while also informing the breweries. maybe just keep this internal for a moment, so we can prepare the next steps after some more consideration. Cheers Christoph

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IMPORTANT: Meeting of Members 3 March 2022
by Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org 27 Oct '21

27 Oct '21

Dear all, thank you for filling out the doodle. Our meeting of members will take place on 3 March 2022 in Munich. Please save the date. Best, Johanna Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed From: Npos_2018 [mailto:npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de] On Behalf Of Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:16 AM To: npos_2018(a)testbiotech.de Subject: [Npos_2018] IMPORTANT: Meeting of Members Dear all, as discussed in our last conference call, we suggest to have the next Meeting of Members end of February 2022. I suggest to have a whole day of meeting (around 9h - 17h), including administrative issues of the Meeting of Members and a discussion on our strategy. I propose to hold the meeting again at the NPOS office in Munich. Please let me know if that doesn't work for you and if you have other suggestions (time schedule, place, etc.). Please fill in the doodle with the proposed dates until 26 October, evening. https://doodle.com/poll/fadfp9gmvd9k8n7z?utm_source=poll <https://doodle.com/poll/fadfp9gmvd9k8n7z?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link> &utm_medium=link Best, Johanna Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed

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Conference call Petition Conference of Minister
by Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org 26 Oct '21

26 Oct '21

Dear all, thanks for filling out the doodle. We'll talk on Tuesday, 2 Nov. (14.15h - 15.15h CET). Please find the Zoom info below. Gabi, Francois maybe you can still make it? Would be great if someone of the Swiss organisations could join. Best, Johanna --- Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89695906893?pwd=bmNvclF0Tm9KM3NxOWtENHpMalEvQT09 Meeting ID: 896 9590 6893 Passcode: 149989 Dial by your location +43 12 535 502 Austria +32 2 585 5574 Belgium +45 32 72 80 11 Denmark +49 69 5050 0951 Germany +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +351 308 810 988 Portugal +41 43 210 70 42 Switzerland Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kemYtYmIW8 Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed

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Doodle meeting Petition REMINDER
by Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org 25 Oct '21

25 Oct '21

Dear all, may I remind you to fill out the doodle for our conference call for the petition asap? Some people that want to participate are still missing. https://doodle.com/poll/p8p9vi4gk2xubm5y?utm_source=poll <https://doodle.com/poll/p8p9vi4gk2xubm5y?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link> &utm_medium=link Thank you! Best, Johanna Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed From: Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org [mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:46 PM To: 'npos_2018(a)testbiotech.de' <npos_2018(a)testbiotech.de> Subject: Minutes conference call + Doodle meeting Petition Dear all, please find attached the minutes of today's call. Most importantly we want to start planning the petition and coordinate our activities. To do so we'd like to have a call. If you like to participate, please fill in the doodle until Sunday, 24 October evening and we'll fix a date Monday morning. https://doodle.com/poll/p8p9vi4gk2xubm5y?utm_source=poll <https://doodle.com/poll/p8p9vi4gk2xubm5y?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link> &utm_medium=link I will invite Giulio from WeMove, too. For the Austrian colleagues, please be aware that 26 October is a holiday in Austria (but I am available). Best, Johanna Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed

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draft text resolution EU Parlament
by Christoph Then 20 Oct '21

20 Oct '21

Dear all during our phone conference I was asked to send around the current draft which found some support from staff member of the Green group which before raised some concerns. basically, the scope of patents has more weight in the wording, now compared to the first version. changes marked in yellow. It is still a draft and i likely to be revised - so no need to get active on it now. comment welcome! Do NOT circulate. Cheers Christoph

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Minutes conference call + Doodle meeting Petition
by Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org 20 Oct '21

20 Oct '21

Dear all, please find attached the minutes of today's call. Most importantly we want to start planning the petition and coordinate our activities. To do so we'd like to have a call. If you like to participate, please fill in the doodle until Sunday, 24 October evening and we'll fix a date Monday morning. https://doodle.com/poll/p8p9vi4gk2xubm5y?utm_source=poll <https://doodle.com/poll/p8p9vi4gk2xubm5y?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link> &utm_medium=link I will invite Giulio from WeMove, too. For the Austrian colleagues, please be aware that 26 October is a holiday in Austria (but I am available). Best, Johanna Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed

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IMPORTANT: Meeting of Members
by Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org 19 Oct '21

19 Oct '21

Dear all, as discussed in our last conference call, we suggest to have the next Meeting of Members end of February 2022. I suggest to have a whole day of meeting (around 9h - 17h), including administrative issues of the Meeting of Members and a discussion on our strategy. I propose to hold the meeting again at the NPOS office in Munich. Please let me know if that doesn't work for you and if you have other suggestions (time schedule, place, etc.). Please fill in the doodle with the proposed dates until 26 October, evening. https://doodle.com/poll/fadfp9gmvd9k8n7z?utm_source=poll <https://doodle.com/poll/fadfp9gmvd9k8n7z?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link> &utm_medium=link Best, Johanna Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT Project Coordination Tel. +43 680 21 26 343 <mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org> johanna.eckhardt(a)no-patents-on-seeds.org NO PATENTS ON SEEDS! <http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/> www.no-patents-on-seeds.org <http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds> www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds <http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed> www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed

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