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Christoph Then

4 May 2020 4 May '20

6:40 a.m.

der all,

please see first drafts in En.

I think we can use the same examples for patent applications in both cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to adapted to the decision in many other details.

please send your comment till Thursday.

thanks!

Christoph

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Anne-Charlotte Moy

4 May 4 May

8:38 p.m.

Dear Christoph, thanks for your Draft

I think we should not talk about "gardeners" if they are not directly concerned by patent on vegetables.

I mean in France (and in Germany, I just checked it) : patent have no effect if you grow your own vegeables for your private needs It could be counter productive for all of us if we think we could not use or multiplicate our vegetables/seeds when we actually have the right to do so. When we have a right it is better to use it and not to ignore it.

Patent Gesetz § 11 Die Wirkung des Patents erstreckt sich nicht auf1. Handlungen, die im privaten Bereich zu nichtgewerblichen Zwecken vorgenommen werden;

thank you,

Le lun. 4 mai 2020 à 08:40, Christoph Then info@no-patents-on-seeds.org a écrit :

...

der all,

please see first drafts in En.

I think we can use the same examples for patent applications in both cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to adapted to the decision in many other details.

please send your comment till Thursday.

thanks!

Christoph

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Erling Frederiksen

9:55 p.m.

Dear Anna-C. , Christoph and you all Interresting - in Danish a "gartner" is definitely a professionel and not a private person. So "gartnere" or "gartnerier" , in Denmark, will always be professionels. A private persen like me would never be described as a "gartner" even though I have a big garden and many plants. I could be described as a "havemand" (gardenperson/man) (have = garden). Just to say, that we must be aware of how the Words are understood, when we translate and write in public. Thanks Anna-C. These pressreleases do not have much effect in small Denmark, with very few qualified journalists and medias. I think we should think more about getting into writing small articles, in our own names, to the Newspapers and medias. "Letters to the editor" - "Opinion" etc. - these would have better chance (in Denmark!) to be published than our pressreleases. The medias get too many pressreleases every day. The "Ingeniøren" has written back, that they will write about the patentsprobelms - and they are nomally OK and trustworthly and jordbrug.dg / greenupdate.dk has promised til publish an article (in ny name) very soon. The relevant politicians in the Parliament /Folketinget has got the Report (Elleve grunde...) but they are mentally infected by Corona... The nothern Frontier Erling

Den man. 4. maj 2020 kl. 22.38 skrev Anne-Charlotte Moy < acharlottemoy@gmail.com>:

...

Dear Christoph, thanks for your Draft

I think we should not talk about "gardeners" if they are not directly concerned by patent on vegetables.

I mean in France (and in Germany, I just checked it) : patent have no effect if you grow your own vegeables for your private needs It could be counter productive for all of us if we think we could not use or multiplicate our vegetables/seeds when we actually have the right to do so. When we have a right it is better to use it and not to ignore it.

Patent Gesetz § 11 Die Wirkung des Patents erstreckt sich nicht auf1. Handlungen, die im privaten Bereich zu nichtgewerblichen Zwecken vorgenommen werden;

thank you,

Le lun. 4 mai 2020 à 08:40, Christoph Then info@no-patents-on-seeds.org a écrit :

...
der all,

please see first drafts in En.

I think we can use the same examples for patent applications in both cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to adapted to the decision in many other details.

please send your comment till Thursday.

thanks!

Christoph

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Christoph Then

5 May 5 May

8:34 a.m.

Dear all

I think we keep gardeners in the communication same as farmers and consumers. Similar to Erling, my understanding is, a gardener can also be a professionel (or is there any other word?).

If not affected directly, they will be affected indirectly. It is important to mention gardeners, since they are the one to grow vegetables which most patents are concerned with. Same / similar wording is in the report.

we also know from text of licence / material transfer from ENZA that gardeners are informed they only can sell tomatoes but not breed (thanks again for excellent tomato seeds to Anne-Charlotte. I will send photo as soon as I added technical toppings).

so yes, let us keep them in the text.

regarding editorials: always useful. But we also need some lines for more general and broader communciation.

our main audience, at this stage, are not the media, but professionals and politics. It looks like I will have a meeting with German Ministry of Justice in May - keep you updated.

cheers

Christoph

Am 04.05.20 um 23:55 schrieb Erling Frederiksen:

...

Dear Anna-C. , Christoph and you all Interresting - in Danish a "gartner" is definitely a professionel and not a private person. So "gartnere" or "gartnerier" , in Denmark, will always be professionels. A private persen like me would never be described as a "gartner" even though I have a big garden and many plants. I could be described as a "havemand" (gardenperson/man) (have = garden). Just to say, that we must be aware of how the Words are understood, when we translate and write in public. Thanks Anna-C. These pressreleases do not have much effect in small Denmark, with very few qualified journalists and medias. I think we should think more about getting into writing small articles, in our own names, to the Newspapers and medias. "Letters to the editor" - "Opinion" etc. - these would have better chance (in Denmark!) to be published than our pressreleases. The medias get too many pressreleases every day. The "Ingeniøren" has written back, that they will write about the patentsprobelms - and they are nomally OK and trustworthly and jordbrug.dg / greenupdate.dk http://greenupdate.dk has promised til publish an article (in ny name) very soon. The relevant politicians in the Parliament /Folketinget has got the Report (Elleve grunde...) but they are mentally infected by Corona... The nothern Frontier Erling

Den man. 4. maj 2020 kl. 22.38 skrev Anne-Charlotte Moy <acharlottemoy@gmail.com mailto:acharlottemoy@gmail.com>:
Dear Christoph,
thanks for your Draft

 I think we should not talk about "gardeners" if they are not
directly concerned by patent on vegetables.

I mean in France (and in Germany, I just checked it) : patent have
no effect if you grow your own vegeables for your private needs
It could be counter productive for all of us if we think we could
not use or multiplicate our vegetables/seeds when we actually have
the right to do so. When we have a right it is better to use it
and not to ignore it.

Patent Gesetz
§ 11 Die Wirkung des Patents erstreckt sich nicht auf1.
Handlungen, die im privaten Bereich zu nichtgewerblichen Zwecken
vorgenommen werden;

thank you,

Le lun. 4 mai 2020 à 08:40, Christoph Then
<info@no-patents-on-seeds.org
<mailto:info@no-patents-on-seeds.org>> a écrit :

    der all,


    please see first drafts in En.

    I think we can use the same examples for patent applications
    in both
    cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to adapted
    to the
    decision in many other  details.

    please send your comment till Thursday.

    thanks! 


    Christoph

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Anne-Charlotte Moy

9:24 a.m.

OK that is true, wording are important.

There are in french 2 words : jardiniers ( gardners) who are private person, and "maraichers" are professionnal.

I am interesting on the text of licence from ENZA, can you please send me the text if you have ? cheers,

Le mar. 5 mai 2020 à 10:34, Christoph Then info@no-patents-on-seeds.org a écrit :

...

Dear all

I think we keep gardeners in the communication same as farmers and consumers. Similar to Erling, my understanding is, a gardener can also be a professionel (or is there any other word?).

If not affected directly, they will be affected indirectly. It is important to mention gardeners, since they are the one to grow vegetables which most patents are concerned with. Same / similar wording is in the report.

we also know from text of licence / material transfer from ENZA that gardeners are informed they only can sell tomatoes but not breed (thanks again for excellent tomato seeds to Anne-Charlotte. I will send photo as soon as I added technical toppings).

so yes, let us keep them in the text.

regarding editorials: always useful. But we also need some lines for more general and broader communciation.

our main audience, at this stage, are not the media, but professionals and politics. It looks like I will have a meeting with German Ministry of Justice in May - keep you updated.

cheers

Christoph

Am 04.05.20 um 23:55 schrieb Erling Frederiksen:

Dear Anna-C. , Christoph and you all Interresting - in Danish a "gartner" is definitely a professionel and not a private person. So "gartnere" or "gartnerier" , in Denmark, will always be professionels. A private persen like me would never be described as a "gartner" even though I have a big garden and many plants. I could be described as a "havemand" (gardenperson/man) (have = garden). Just to say, that we must be aware of how the Words are understood, when we translate and write in public. Thanks Anna-C. These pressreleases do not have much effect in small Denmark, with very few qualified journalists and medias. I think we should think more about getting into writing small articles, in our own names, to the Newspapers and medias. "Letters to the editor" - "Opinion" etc. - these would have better chance (in Denmark!) to be published than our pressreleases. The medias get too many pressreleases every day. The "Ingeniøren" has written back, that they will write about the patentsprobelms - and they are nomally OK and trustworthly and jordbrug.dg / greenupdate.dk has promised til publish an article (in ny name) very soon. The relevant politicians in the Parliament /Folketinget has got the Report (Elleve grunde...) but they are mentally infected by Corona... The nothern Frontier Erling

Den man. 4. maj 2020 kl. 22.38 skrev Anne-Charlotte Moy < acharlottemoy@gmail.com>:

...
Dear Christoph, thanks for your Draft

I think we should not talk about "gardeners" if they are not directly concerned by patent on vegetables.

I mean in France (and in Germany, I just checked it) : patent have no effect if you grow your own vegeables for your private needs It could be counter productive for all of us if we think we could not use or multiplicate our vegetables/seeds when we actually have the right to do so. When we have a right it is better to use it and not to ignore it.

Patent Gesetz § 11 Die Wirkung des Patents erstreckt sich nicht auf1. Handlungen, die im privaten Bereich zu nichtgewerblichen Zwecken vorgenommen werden;

thank you,

Le lun. 4 mai 2020 à 08:40, Christoph Then info@no-patents-on-seeds.org a écrit :

...
der all,

please see first drafts in En.

I think we can use the same examples for patent applications in both cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to adapted to the decision in many other details.

please send your comment till Thursday.

thanks!

Christoph

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Christoph Then

10:35 a.m.

ENZA: we have it in the previous report / 2018 - attached

Am 05.05.20 um 11:24 schrieb Anne-Charlotte Moy:

...

OK that is true, wording are important.

There are in french 2 words : jardiniers ( gardners) who are private person, and "maraichers" are professionnal.

I am interesting on the text of licence from ENZA, can you please send me the text if you have ? cheers,

Le mar. 5 mai 2020 à 10:34, Christoph Then <info@no-patents-on-seeds.org mailto:info@no-patents-on-seeds.org> a écrit :

Dear all

I think we keep gardeners in the communication same as farmers and
consumers. Similar to Erling, my understanding is, a gardener can
also be a professionel (or is there any other word?).

If not affected directly, they will be affected indirectly. It is
important to mention gardeners, since they are the one to grow
vegetables which most patents are concerned with. Same / similar
wording is in the report.

we also know from text of licence / material transfer from ENZA
that gardeners are informed they only can sell tomatoes but not
breed (thanks again for excellent tomato seeds to Anne-Charlotte.
I will send photo as soon as I added technical toppings).

so yes, let us keep them in the text.

regarding editorials: always useful. But we also need some lines
for more general and broader communciation.

our main audience, at this stage, are not the media, but
professionals and politics. It looks like I will have a meeting
with German Ministry of Justice in May - keep you updated.

cheers

Christoph




Am 04.05.20 um 23:55 schrieb Erling Frederiksen:

...

Dear Anna-C. , Christoph and you all
Interresting - in Danish a "gartner" is definitely a professionel
and not a private person. So "gartnere" or "gartnerier" , in
Denmark, will always be professionels. A private persen like me
would never be described as a "gartner"  even though I have a big
garden and many plants. I could be described as a "havemand"
(gardenperson/man)  (have = garden).  Just to say, that we must
be aware of how the Words are understood, when we translate and
write in public. Thanks Anna-C.
These pressreleases do not have much effect in small Denmark,
with very few qualified journalists and medias. I think we should
think more about getting into writing small articles, in our own
names, to the Newspapers and medias. "Letters to the editor" -
"Opinion"  etc. - these would have better chance (in Denmark!) to
be published than our pressreleases. The medias get too many
pressreleases every day.
The "Ingeniøren" has written back, that they will write about the
patentsprobelms - and they are nomally OK and trustworthly and
jordbrug.dg / greenupdate.dk <http://greenupdate.dk>  has
promised til publish an article (in ny name) very soon. The
relevant politicians in the Parliament /Folketinget has got the
Report (Elleve grunde...) but they are mentally infected by Corona...
The nothern Frontier
Erling  

Den man. 4. maj 2020 kl. 22.38 skrev Anne-Charlotte Moy
<acharlottemoy@gmail.com <mailto:acharlottemoy@gmail.com>>:


    Dear Christoph,
    thanks for your Draft

     I think we should not talk about "gardeners" if they are not
    directly concerned by patent on vegetables.

    I mean in France (and in Germany, I just checked it) : patent
    have no effect if you grow your own vegeables for your
    private needs
    It could be counter productive for all of us if we think we
    could not use or multiplicate our vegetables/seeds when we
    actually have the right to do so. When we have a right it is
    better to use it and not to ignore it.

    Patent Gesetz
    § 11 Die Wirkung des Patents erstreckt sich nicht auf1.
    Handlungen, die im privaten Bereich zu nichtgewerblichen
    Zwecken vorgenommen werden;

    thank you,

    Le lun. 4 mai 2020 à 08:40, Christoph Then
    <info@no-patents-on-seeds.org
    <mailto:info@no-patents-on-seeds.org>> a écrit :

        der all,


        please see first drafts in En.

        I think we can use the same examples for patent
        applications in both
        cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to
        adapted to the
        decision in many other  details.

        please send your comment till Thursday.

        thanks! 


        Christoph

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francois.meienberg＠prospecierara.ch

7 May 7 May

7:39 a.m.

Dear Christoph

Attached somme feedback from my side.

Best

François

Von: Npos_2018 npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de Im Auftrag von Christoph Then Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2020 10:34 An: npos_2018@testbiotech.de Betreff: Re: [Npos_2018] first draft PRs on the decision of the Enlarged Board od Appeal

Dear all

I think we keep gardeners in the communication same as farmers and consumers. Similar to Erling, my understanding is, a gardener can also be a professionel (or is there any other word?).

so yes, let us keep them in the text.

regarding editorials: always useful. But we also need some lines for more general and broader communciation.

our main audience, at this stage, are not the media, but professionals and politics. It looks like I will have a meeting with German Ministry of Justice in May - keep you updated.

cheers

Christoph

Am 04.05.20 um 23:55 schrieb Erling Frederiksen:

Dear Anna-C. , Christoph and you all

Interresting - in Danish a "gartner" is definitely a professionel and not a private person. So "gartnere" or "gartnerier" , in Denmark, will always be professionels. A private persen like me would never be described as a "gartner" even though I have a big garden and many plants. I could be described as a "havemand" (gardenperson/man) (have = garden). Just to say, that we must be aware of how the Words are understood, when we translate and write in public. Thanks Anna-C.

These pressreleases do not have much effect in small Denmark, with very few qualified journalists and medias. I think we should think more about getting into writing small articles, in our own names, to the Newspapers and medias. "Letters to the editor" - "Opinion" etc. - these would have better chance (in Denmark!) to be published than our pressreleases. The medias get too many pressreleases every day.

The "Ingeniøren" has written back, that they will write about the patentsprobelms - and they are nomally OK and trustworthly and jordbrug.dg / greenupdate.dk http://greenupdate.dk has promised til publish an article (in ny name) very soon. The relevant politicians in the Parliament /Folketinget has got the Report (Elleve grunde...) but they are mentally infected by Corona...

The nothern Frontier

Erling

Den man. 4. maj 2020 kl. 22.38 skrev Anne-Charlotte Moy <acharlottemoy@gmail.com mailto:acharlottemoy@gmail.com >:

Dear Christoph,

thanks for your Draft

I think we should not talk about "gardeners" if they are not directly concerned by patent on vegetables.

I mean in France (and in Germany, I just checked it) : patent have no effect if you grow your own vegeables for your private needs

It could be counter productive for all of us if we think we could not use or multiplicate our vegetables/seeds when we actually have the right to do so. When we have a right it is better to use it and not to ignore it.

Patent Gesetz

§ 11 Die Wirkung des Patents erstreckt sich nicht auf1. Handlungen, die im privaten Bereich zu nichtgewerblichen Zwecken vorgenommen werden;

thank you,

Le lun. 4 mai 2020 à 08:40, Christoph Then <info@no-patents-on-seeds.org mailto:info@no-patents-on-seeds.org > a écrit :

der all,

please see first drafts in En.

I think we can use the same examples for patent applications in both cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to adapted to the decision in many other details.

please send your comment till Thursday.

thanks!

Christoph

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Christoph Then

11 May 11 May

7:04 a.m.

Dear Francois

thanks for your input. Please be aware that in the paragraph you comment on (common good), I am not writing about varieties but about process of breeding. The point we want to raise is: who was the first in history of global human culture to breed based on selection and further crossings.

I will try to clarify.

Cheers

Christoph

Am 07.05.20 um 09:39 schrieb francois.meienberg@prospecierara.ch:

...

Dear Christoph

Attached somme feedback from my side.

Best

François

*Von:*Npos_2018 npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de *Im Auftrag von *Christoph Then *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 5. Mai 2020 10:34 *An:* npos_2018@testbiotech.de *Betreff:* Re: [Npos_2018] first draft PRs on the decision of the Enlarged Board od Appeal

Dear all

I think we keep gardeners in the communication same as farmers and consumers. Similar to Erling, my understanding is, a gardener can also be a professionel (or is there any other word?).

so yes, let us keep them in the text.

regarding editorials: always useful. But we also need some lines for more general and broader communciation.

our main audience, at this stage, are not the media, but professionals and politics. It looks like I will have a meeting with German Ministry of Justice in May - keep you updated.

cheers

Christoph

Am 04.05.20 um 23:55 schrieb Erling Frederiksen:

Dear Anna-C. , Christoph and you all

Interresting - in Danish a "gartner" is definitely a professionel
and not a private person. So "gartnere" or "gartnerier" , in
Denmark, will always be professionels. A private persen like me
would never be described as a "gartner"  even though I have a big
garden and many plants. I could be described as a "havemand"
(gardenperson/man)  (have = garden).  Just to say, that we must be
aware of how the Words are understood, when we translate and write
in public. Thanks Anna-C.

These pressreleases do not have much effect in small Denmark, with
very few qualified journalists and medias. I think we should think
more about getting into writing small articles, in our own names,
to the Newspapers and medias. "Letters to the editor" - "Opinion" 
etc. - these would have better chance (in Denmark!) to be
published than our pressreleases. The medias get too many
pressreleases every day.

The "Ingeniøren" has written back, that they will write about the
patentsprobelms - and they are nomally OK and trustworthly and
jordbrug.dg / greenupdate.dk <http://greenupdate.dk>  has promised
til publish an article (in ny name) very soon. The relevant
politicians in the Parliament /Folketinget has got the Report
(Elleve grunde...) but they are mentally infected by Corona...

The nothern Frontier

Erling  

 

Den man. 4. maj 2020 kl. 22.38 skrev Anne-Charlotte Moy
<acharlottemoy@gmail.com <mailto:acharlottemoy@gmail.com>>:

     

    Dear Christoph,

    thanks for your Draft

     

     I think we should not talk about "gardeners" if they are not
    directly concerned by patent on vegetables.

     

    I mean in France (and in Germany, I just checked it) : patent
    have no effect if you grow your own vegeables for your private
    needs

    It could be counter productive for all of us if we think we
    could not use or multiplicate our vegetables/seeds when we
    actually have the right to do so. When we have a right it is
    better to use it and not to ignore it.

     

    Patent Gesetz

    § 11 Die Wirkung des Patents erstreckt sich nicht auf1.
    Handlungen, die im privaten Bereich zu nichtgewerblichen
    Zwecken vorgenommen werden;

     

    thank you,

     

    Le lun. 4 mai 2020 à 08:40, Christoph Then
    <info@no-patents-on-seeds.org
    <mailto:info@no-patents-on-seeds.org>> a écrit :

        der all,


        please see first drafts in En.

        I think we can use the same examples for patent
        applications in both
        cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to
        adapted to the
        decision in many other  details.

        please send your comment till Thursday.

        thanks! 


        Christoph

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ARCHE NOAH Katherine Dolan

6 May 6 May

1:25 p.m.

Dear Christoph,

Thanks for the drafts. Here are my comments:

Yes: • We should say more on what needs to happen now, referring to role of national government and Administrative Council meeting at the end of June – and repeat less of what was in the press release about the report • We should refer to our full range of demands, not just the issue of conventional breeding vs technical

No: • We should focus on the democratic aspect of the decision. I think this is a much bigger story than the narrow patent angle, and is also where the national governments will be especially sensitive - they won't like having their decision over-ruled, it is a big precedent issue. • I would suggest something also the lines of (with some of the specific points on plant and animal patents afterwards): It's a democratic scandal. Elected national governments took a decision, reflecting the political consensus in EU. EPO has rejected this decision so that it can still grant patents on plants and animals. Structure of EPO is outdated and must be reformed. Call for Diplomatic Conference to create democratically accountable organisation that serves the interest of society as a whole, not the interests of large corporations and patent lawyers.

Perhaps we also need a third variation for the event the court says yes to question 1 but not to question 2?

Will you ask for personal meetings with the national governments when you send out the press release? I know this is very resource intensive but I think is very important to get a good outcome in the administrative council, and it is perhaps easier to now get virtual meetings than it would have been before.

Best Katherine

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Npos_2018 [mailto:npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de] Im Auftrag von Christoph Then Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2020 08:41 An: npos_2018@testbiotech.de Betreff: [Npos_2018] first draft PRs on the decision of the Enlarged Board od Appeal

der all,

please see first drafts in En.

I think we can use the same examples for patent applications in both cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to adapted to the decision in many other details.

please send your comment till Thursday.

thanks!

Christoph

Christoph Then

11 May 11 May

7:13 a.m.

New subject: first draft PRs on the decision of the Enlarged Board of Appeal

Dear Katherine

thanks for your input.

When balancing the content of the release we have to be aware that several organisation wanted to push the report only in context of the decision. Therefore, the report will need some space and also how we have to interpret the examples. This was one of the main ideas of our meeting. I think for broader public this is still a good idea. Telling stories. not so much about political processes.

Further, having a full list of demands in the PR, in most cases is not a good strategy, media does not want to push a campaign, they want to report news.

on the democratic aspects, we could give you a quote with similar content as suggested by you.

in any case, I will try to take into account your comments by further working on the text.

Cheers

Christoph

Am 06.05.20 um 15:25 schrieb ARCHE NOAH Katherine Dolan:

...

Dear Christoph, Thanks for the drafts. Here are my comments: Yes:

We should say more on what needs to happen now, referring to role of national government and Administrative Council meeting at the end of June – and repeat less of what was in the press release about the report

We should refer to our full range of demands, not just the issue of conventional breeding vs technical

No:

We should focus on the democratic aspect of the decision. I think this is a much bigger story than the narrow patent angle, and is also where the national governments will be especially sensitive - they won't like having their decision over-ruled, it is a big precedent issue.

I would suggest something also the lines of (with some of the specific points on plant and animal patents afterwards): It's a democratic scandal. Elected national governments took a decision, reflecting the political consensus in EU. EPO has rejected this decision so that it can still grant patents on plants and animals. Structure of EPO is outdated and must be reformed. Call for Diplomatic Conference to create democratically accountable organisation that serves the interest of society as a whole, not the interests of large corporations and patent lawyers.

Perhaps we also need a third variation for the event the court says yes to question 1 but not to question 2? Will you ask for personal meetings with the national governments when you send out the press release? I know this is very resource intensive but I think is very important to get a good outcome in the administrative council, and it is perhaps easier to now get virtual meetings than it would have been before. Best Katherine -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Npos_2018 [mailto:npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de] Im Auftrag von Christoph Then Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2020 08:41 An: npos_2018@testbiotech.de Betreff: [Npos_2018] first draft PRs on the decision of the Enlarged Board od Appeal der all, please see first drafts in En. I think we can use the same examples for patent applications in both cases (Yes and No), while the content of the PR has to adapted to the decision in many other details. please send your comment till Thursday. thanks! Christoph

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