Questions related to the petition
Dear All
We just discussed the petition among the swiss members of NPOS.
And we have following questions (maybe they have already been answered, but we are not aware of)
* Who is exactly the addressee of the Petition? Is it (all) the Ministers of the Parties? Or does each country collect signatures for the petition for their national Minister? (I would prefer the first). Maybe this needs also to be clarified in the petition? * It seems that some organisations collect the signatures individually. So it will be possible to sign at Arche Noah, We Move, No patents on Seeds, ABL and maybe an NPOS member in Switzerland?? (So it will be possible to sign five times but this is maybe not a problem.) And at the end, we collect the number of signatures everybody has collected? What will be collected: Just the number? Or also the address or email of the supporter? Will there be only national handovers? or also a more centralised one ? And what will exactly be handed over, when we handover the petition. -> We think all this needs to be fixed now as it has an influence in which way we collect the signatures.
Thanks a lot for some clarification in this regard.
François for the swiss members.
Von: Npos_2018 npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de Im Auftrag von Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. November 2021 16:39 An: npos_2018@testbiotech.de Betreff: [Npos_2018] AbL joins petition
Dear all,
FYI: AbL will join our petition as well already on 25 Nov. They will have the info on their website and include a link to the NPOS petition.
They might check if they can have their own online form to sign on the website, but this may not be necessary.
Best,
Johanna
Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT
Project Coordination
Tel. +43 680 21 26 343
mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org
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Dear all,
thanks for these questions, I will try to answer some of them and I guess there will be further comments. There also might be some conclusion in the minutes of our zoom meetings. I guess Johanna will know.
My understanding is that the petition is directed to the national governments and in most cases will target the responsible ministers. However, the minister might not always be the best choice. Thus, we also can address the governments in more general. For example in Germany, I think we should wait on the new government to be in power before we take final decision whom to address.
we should know how many signatures were collected for each country, in some cases this might be helpful. This does not mean we already took a decision how we will communicate these figures.
As soon as we start to handover (maybe Austria will be the first) we will discuss how to communicate. We also can organise handover at the Admin Councils for a overall final activity (since these burocrates have to represent their countries).
So for the moment, it seems to be possible for each organisation to take a choice how address its government. Within one country, the signatures can be collected jointly or individually (by each organisation), but all organisations from one country should take a joint decision whom to address and how. For me, Switzerland is showing us already the way how we can organise.
hope this helps to go on with the decision making.
Cheers
Christoph
Am 18.11.21 um 19:09 schrieb francois.meienberg@prospecierara.ch:
Dear All
We just discussed the petition among the swiss members of NPOS.
And we have following questions (maybe they have already been answered, but we are not aware of)
- Who is exactly the addressee of the Petition? Is it (all) the Ministers of the Parties? Or does each country collect signatures for the petition for their national Minister? (I would prefer the first). Maybe this needs also to be clarified in the petition?
- It seems that some organisations collect the signatures individually. So it will be possible to sign at Arche Noah, We Move, No patents on Seeds, ABL – and maybe an NPOS member in Switzerland?? (So it will be possible to sign five times – but this is maybe not a problem.) – And at the end, we collect the number of signatures everybody has collected? What will be collected: Just the number? – Or also the address or email of the supporter? Will there be only national handovers? – or also a more centralised one ? And what will exactly be handed over, when we handover the petition. -> We think all this needs to be fixed now – as it has an influence in which way we collect the signatures.
Thanks a lot for some clarification in this regard.
François – for the swiss members.
*Von:*Npos_2018 npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de *Im Auftrag von *Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. November 2021 16:39 *An:* npos_2018@testbiotech.de *Betreff:* [Npos_2018] AbL joins petition
Dear all,
FYI: AbL will join our petition as well already on 25 Nov. They will have the info on their website and include a link to the NPOS petition.
They might check if they can have their own online form to sign on the website, but this may not be necessary.
Best,
Johanna
*Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT*
Project Coordination
Tel. +43 680 21 26 343
johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org
*NO PATENTS ON SEEDS!*
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Dear Christoph, dear Giulio, dear All
* Regarding the Adressee: I think all agree that the petition is directed to the governments of the contracting sates of the European Patent Office. Depending on the layout there will be a need to mention this also on the petition itself (the second page in your draft). * Collection of signatures: Will NPOS also collect signatures at its Website ? or will requests always be directed to the WeMove Website ? * Counting : yes would be good to know how many signatures we have per country. I expect that it will be possible for WeMove to communicate us these figures. But these means if we handover (own collected) signatures to our government, we will give them the petition (including name, town of the ones who have signed the petition) and then add « in addition there were xy signatories from Switzerland which have signed the petition at the WeMove Website » (Its a little bit strange, no ? but maybe the only way to count together all signatories ?) * And we discussed in Switzerland, that for example the support of Farmer Organisations would have politically more impact than 1000 individual signatories more. -> Is somebody also collecting the support/signatures from organisations for the petition ??
Best
François
Von: Npos_2018 npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de Im Auftrag von Christoph Then Gesendet: Freitag, 19. November 2021 08:08 An: npos_2018@testbiotech.de; Giulio Carini giulio@wemove.eu Betreff: Re: [Npos_2018] Questions related to the petition
Dear all,
thanks for these questions, I will try to answer some of them and I guess there will be further comments. There also might be some conclusion in the minutes of our zoom meetings. I guess Johanna will know.
My understanding is that the petition is directed to the national governments and in most cases will target the responsible ministers. However, the minister might not always be the best choice. Thus, we also can address the governments in more general. For example in Germany, I think we should wait on the new government to be in power before we take final decision whom to address.
we should know how many signatures were collected for each country, in some cases this might be helpful. This does not mean we already took a decision how we will communicate these figures.
As soon as we start to handover (maybe Austria will be the first) we will discuss how to communicate. We also can organise handover at the Admin Councils for a overall final activity (since these burocrates have to represent their countries).
So for the moment, it seems to be possible for each organisation to take a choice how address its government. Within one country, the signatures can be collected jointly or individually (by each organisation), but all organisations from one country should take a joint decision whom to address and how. For me, Switzerland is showing us already the way how we can organise.
hope this helps to go on with the decision making.
Cheers
Christoph
Am 18.11.21 um 19:09 schrieb francois.meienberg@prospecierara.ch mailto:francois.meienberg@prospecierara.ch :
Dear All
We just discussed the petition among the swiss members of NPOS.
And we have following questions (maybe they have already been answered, but we are not aware of)
1. Who is exactly the addressee of the Petition? Is it (all) the Ministers of the Parties? Or does each country collect signatures for the petition for their national Minister? (I would prefer the first). Maybe this needs also to be clarified in the petition? 2. It seems that some organisations collect the signatures individually. So it will be possible to sign at Arche Noah, We Move, No patents on Seeds, ABL and maybe an NPOS member in Switzerland?? (So it will be possible to sign five times but this is maybe not a problem.) And at the end, we collect the number of signatures everybody has collected? What will be collected: Just the number? Or also the address or email of the supporter? Will there be only national handovers? or also a more centralised one ? And what will exactly be handed over, when we handover the petition. -> We think all this needs to be fixed now as it has an influence in which way we collect the signatures.
Thanks a lot for some clarification in this regard.
François for the swiss members.
Von: Npos_2018 mailto:npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de Im Auftrag von Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. November 2021 16:39 An: npos_2018@testbiotech.de mailto:npos_2018@testbiotech.de Betreff: [Npos_2018] AbL joins petition
Dear all,
FYI: AbL will join our petition as well already on 25 Nov. They will have the info on their website and include a link to the NPOS petition.
They might check if they can have their own online form to sign on the website, but this may not be necessary.
Best,
Johanna
Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT
Project Coordination
Tel. +43 680 21 26 343
mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org
NO PATENTS ON SEEDS!
http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/ www.no-patents-on-seeds.org
http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds
http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed
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Dear Francois,
- NPOS will as well collect signatures via our homepage.
- Organisations are very welcome to support the petition, too. Individuals can sign the petition via the online form, organisations are asked to send me an informal email with their logo. I then always publish the list of supporting organisations on our homepage. The info on how organisations can join will be included on the homepage. And I will send out an email to my organisations-mailing list once the petition is online. Additionally we hope to find organisations that actively support us in countries where we dont have strong partner organisations yet. The German and Austrian breweries will most probably join our petitions as well and count the signatures together.
- In the form for signing the petition, we should collect the name, the country and the email address. And yes, we can then decide if we want to publish / share the info about how many people signed in each country, but it is a useful info to have.
- As an organisation Id advise you to think about how you could use the email addresses you collect. Maybe you want to ask them to receive updates about the petition or sign up for your newsletter. But they have to actively agree to do so by clicking on Yes. (See form attached from the petition 2020).
- For the last petition we collected signatures on different homepages (NPOS, WeMove, Umweltinstitut, GeN), but the counters of signatures were automatically linked so that the same total number appeared on all homepages. So we could have one total number for all Europe and just communicate additionally the signatures per country if we want to. But you could as well just collect in Switzerland and add the signatures from NPOS, WeMove, etc. once you hand over the petition. But the first option may be clearer.
- With the last petitions we saved the lists of signatures for ourselves, but didnt hand them over to the EPO which is as well better for data protection reasons. We just communicated the final number.
- So in case of a hand over to Switzerland, all organisations would have to communicate the total number and the number of signatories from CH which can easily be done, because the infos can normally be extracted via an Excel sheet. I think it wouldnt be necessary to hand over a list of names, but make rather a symbolic hand over.
- Yes, people could sing on different platforms several times. In the past we did not check if we counted a signature several times.
Please come back to me if you have further questions.
Best,
Johanna
Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT
Project Coordination
Tel. +43 680 21 26 343
mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org
NO PATENTS ON SEEDS!
http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/ www.no-patents-on-seeds.org
http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds
http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed
From: Npos_2018 [mailto:npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de] On Behalf Of francois.meienberg@prospecierara.ch Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 12:35 PM To: 'Christoph Then' info@no-patents-on-seeds.org; npos_2018@testbiotech.de; 'Giulio Carini' giulio@wemove.eu Subject: Re: [Npos_2018] Questions related to the petition
Dear Christoph, dear Giulio, dear All
- Regarding the Adressee: I think all agree that the petition is directed to the governments of the contracting sates of the European Patent Office. Depending on the layout there will be a need to mention this also on the petition itself (the second page in your draft).
- Collection of signatures: Will NPOS also collect signatures at its Website ? or will requests always be directed to the WeMove Website ?
- Counting : yes would be good to know how many signatures we have per country. I expect that it will be possible for WeMove to communicate us these figures. But these means if we handover (own collected) signatures to our government, we will give them the petition (including name, town of the ones who have signed the petition) and then add « in addition there were xy signatories from Switzerland which have signed the petition at the WeMove Website » (Its a little bit strange, no ? but maybe the only way to count together all signatories ?)
- And we discussed in Switzerland, that for example the support of Farmer Organisations would have politically more impact than 1000 individual signatories more. -> Is somebody also collecting the support/signatures from organisations for the petition ??
Best
François
Von: Npos_2018 <npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de mailto:npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de > Im Auftrag von Christoph Then Gesendet: Freitag, 19. November 2021 08:08 An: npos_2018@testbiotech.de mailto:npos_2018@testbiotech.de ; Giulio Carini <giulio@wemove.eu mailto:giulio@wemove.eu > Betreff: Re: [Npos_2018] Questions related to the petition
Dear all,
thanks for these questions, I will try to answer some of them and I guess there will be further comments. There also might be some conclusion in the minutes of our zoom meetings. I guess Johanna will know.
My understanding is that the petition is directed to the national governments and in most cases will target the responsible ministers. However, the minister might not always be the best choice. Thus, we also can address the governments in more general. For example in Germany, I think we should wait on the new government to be in power before we take final decision whom to address.
we should know how many signatures were collected for each country, in some cases this might be helpful. This does not mean we already took a decision how we will communicate these figures.
As soon as we start to handover (maybe Austria will be the first) we will discuss how to communicate. We also can organise handover at the Admin Councils for a overall final activity (since these burocrates have to represent their countries).
So for the moment, it seems to be possible for each organisation to take a choice how address its government. Within one country, the signatures can be collected jointly or individually (by each organisation), but all organisations from one country should take a joint decision whom to address and how. For me, Switzerland is showing us already the way how we can organise.
hope this helps to go on with the decision making.
Cheers
Christoph
Am 18.11.21 um 19:09 schrieb francois.meienberg@prospecierara.ch mailto:francois.meienberg@prospecierara.ch :
Dear All
We just discussed the petition among the swiss members of NPOS.
And we have following questions (maybe they have already been answered, but we are not aware of)
1. Who is exactly the addressee of the Petition? Is it (all) the Ministers of the Parties? Or does each country collect signatures for the petition for their national Minister? (I would prefer the first). Maybe this needs also to be clarified in the petition? 2. It seems that some organisations collect the signatures individually. So it will be possible to sign at Arche Noah, We Move, No patents on Seeds, ABL and maybe an NPOS member in Switzerland?? (So it will be possible to sign five times but this is maybe not a problem.) And at the end, we collect the number of signatures everybody has collected? What will be collected: Just the number? Or also the address or email of the supporter? Will there be only national handovers? or also a more centralised one ? And what will exactly be handed over, when we handover the petition. -> We think all this needs to be fixed now as it has an influence in which way we collect the signatures.
Thanks a lot for some clarification in this regard.
François for the swiss members.
Von: Npos_2018 mailto:npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de Im Auftrag von Johanna Eckhardt no-patents-seeds.org Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. November 2021 16:39 An: npos_2018@testbiotech.de mailto:npos_2018@testbiotech.de Betreff: [Npos_2018] AbL joins petition
Dear all,
FYI: AbL will join our petition as well already on 25 Nov. They will have the info on their website and include a link to the NPOS petition.
They might check if they can have their own online form to sign on the website, but this may not be necessary.
Best,
Johanna
Mag. Johanna ECKHARDT
Project Coordination
Tel. +43 680 21 26 343
mailto:johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org johanna.eckhardt@no-patents-on-seeds.org
NO PATENTS ON SEEDS!
http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/ www.no-patents-on-seeds.org
http://www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds www.facebook.com/nopatentsonseeds
http://www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed www.twitter.com/nopatentsonseed
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