the report nearly final draft (deutsch und English)
Dear all
please see attached nearly final draft versions of the report in German and English. Longer than expected, but I hope easy reading.
the summary is still missing, the glossary also still has to be integrated. We try to get everything ready next week. We also still have to go to final editing and layout. So please come back with comments needed during next week.
Please do not distribute the draft widely at this stage. If Oxfam wants to inform the Dutch breeders, I think this is ok. However it has to done confidentially.
Further I would not invite them officially for comments - this would mean to delay the report till June. I would offer it as embargoed versions just for their own information. Of course if they want, they can send their comments. But we will offer to integrate these comments or delay the report till they 'agree' or something like that.
If we receive some interesting we will have to make our own decisions within /No Patents on Seeds!/ but can not allow these companies to influence our work.
Have a nice weekend, a lot of fresh air and good health.
Christoph
Many thanks Christoph and writing team,
I am impressed with the progress made. Sections 1 to 6 are much more accessible now, and the examples in 7-8-9 are still very strong. The intro’s of, and distinction between, sections 7 and 8 are still quite difficult to grasp for a general audience, but I think the clear examples make up for that. I have included a few suggestions in the attached document.
Regarding your comments on providing companies an ‘Opportunity to Comment’, I think there are some misunderstandings: First, we will NOT share the report with any company. The Opportunity to Comment merely involves that we send the specific, relevant statements about a particular company to that company by email (as confidential information not to be shared publicly) in order for that company to a) check the correctness of the factual information provided, and b) to possibly give an alternative explanation or reject our statement. We can then decide what to do with the reply: In case we must conclude that we made a factual mistake, we better change our text in order to preclude possible legal measures (more likely in some jurisdictions than in others). But there is no obligation (nor intention!) to include in our report a company’s response on the statements that we are making. There is no way we want to allow companies to influence the content our work! In case of Rijk Zwaan, we want to explain our position because we have a good working relation with that company. Still, this should not influence our statement about them. However, in case they want to explain why they applied for these patents and in case this explanation suits our needs, than we may decide to refer to their response in our report.
I hope this clarifies!
We will approach Rijk Zwaan and the 2 other Dutch companies this week and get back to you if we receive any responses. We will likely give them 7 working days to respond. As we do not want to cause any delays for NPOS, please feel free to continue along your preferred timeline and publication deadlines.
Kind regards, Bram
From: Npos_2018 npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de On Behalf Of Christoph Then Sent: Friday, 27 March 2020 17:08 To: npos_2018@testbiotech.de Subject: [Npos_2018] the report nearly final draft (deutsch und English)
Dear all
please see attached nearly final draft versions of the report in German and English. Longer than expected, but I hope easy reading.
the summary is still missing, the glossary also still has to be integrated. We try to get everything ready next week. We also still have to go to final editing and layout. So please come back with comments needed during next week.
Please do not distribute the draft widely at this stage. If Oxfam wants to inform the Dutch breeders, I think this is ok. However it has to done confidentially.
Further I would not invite them officially for comments - this would mean to delay the report till June. I would offer it as embargoed versions just for their own information. Of course if they want, they can send their comments. But we will offer to integrate these comments or delay the report till they 'agree' or something like that.
If we receive some interesting we will have to make our own decisions within No Patents on Seeds! but can not allow these companies to influence our work.
Have a nice weekend, a lot of fresh air and good health.
Christoph
Hi Bram,
I will try to look into you comments.
Regarding the sharing if documents: We always will correct factual errors. However, there might be some room for interpretation of the facts - we will see. And if we ant to meet with Plantum (I think this idea is still pending) they would be interested in seeing the report as well beforehand (and then might share it internally with their companies) - so it is up to you to take the decision.
I think we still will need a week to finally have some first layouted and edited version, so if you want to give them 7 dasys for response, this might work.
thanks!
Christoph
Am 30.03.20 um 15:10 schrieb Bram de Jonge:
Many thanks Christoph and writing team,
I am impressed with the progress made. Sections 1 to 6 are much more accessible now, and the examples in 7-8-9 are still very strong. The intro’s of, and distinction between, sections 7 and 8 are still quite difficult to grasp for a general audience, but I think the clear examples make up for that. I have included a few suggestions in the attached document.
Regarding your comments on providing companies an ‘Opportunity to Comment’, I think there are some misunderstandings:
First, we will NOT share the report with any company. The Opportunity to Comment merely involves that we send the specific, relevant statements about a particular company to that company by email (as confidential information not to be shared publicly) in order for that company to a) check the correctness of the factual information provided, and b) to possibly give an alternative explanation or reject our statement.
We can then decide what to do with the reply: In case we must conclude that we made a factual mistake, we better change our text in order to preclude possible legal measures (more likely in some jurisdictions than in others). But there is no obligation (nor intention!) to include in our report a company’s response on the statements that we are making. There is no way we want to allow companies to influence the content our work!
In case of Rijk Zwaan, we want to explain our position because we have a good working relation with that company. Still, this should not influence our statement about them. However, in case they want to explain why they applied for these patents and in case this explanation suits our needs, than we may decide to refer to their response in our report.
I hope this clarifies!
We will approach Rijk Zwaan and the 2 other Dutch companies this week and get back to you if we receive any responses. We will likely give them 7 working days to respond. As we do not want to cause any delays for NPOS, please feel free to continue along your preferred timeline and publication deadlines.
Kind regards,
Bram
*From:*Npos_2018 npos_2018-bounces@testbiotech.de *On Behalf Of *Christoph Then *Sent:* Friday, 27 March 2020 17:08 *To:* npos_2018@testbiotech.de *Subject:* [Npos_2018] the report nearly final draft (deutsch und English)
Dear all
please see attached nearly final draft versions of the report in German and English. Longer than expected, but I hope easy reading.
the summary is still missing, the glossary also still has to be integrated. We try to get everything ready next week. We also still have to go to final editing and layout. So please come back with comments needed during next week.
Please do not distribute the draft widely at this stage. If Oxfam wants to inform the Dutch breeders, I think this is ok. However it has to done confidentially.
Further I would not invite them officially for comments - this would mean to delay the report till June. I would offer it as embargoed versions just for their own information. Of course if they want, they can send their comments. But we will offer to integrate these comments or delay the report till they 'agree' or something like that.
If we receive some interesting we will have to make our own decisions within /No Patents on Seeds!/ but can not allow these companies to influence our work.
Have a nice weekend, a lot of fresh air and good health.
Christoph
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Liebe alle,
hier noch ein paar kleine Korrekturen zum deutschen Text.
Ein schöner Report, Christoph!
Gruß, Ruth
Am 27.03.2020 um 17:07 schrieb Christoph Then:
Dear all
please see attached nearly final draft versions of the report in German and English. Longer than expected, but I hope easy reading.
the summary is still missing, the glossary also still has to be integrated. We try to get everything ready next week. We also still have to go to final editing and layout. So please come back with comments needed during next week.
Please do not distribute the draft widely at this stage. If Oxfam wants to inform the Dutch breeders, I think this is ok. However it has to done confidentially.
Further I would not invite them officially for comments - this would mean to delay the report till June. I would offer it as embargoed versions just for their own information. Of course if they want, they can send their comments. But we will offer to integrate these comments or delay the report till they 'agree' or something like that.
If we receive some interesting we will have to make our own decisions within /No Patents on Seeds!/ but can not allow these companies to influence our work.
Have a nice weekend, a lot of fresh air and good health.
Christoph
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Dear Christoph, and all
thanks for this work, I read the first version and the last one. It is really interesting but also very long. Do we plan to get a schorter version too, maybe 5 pages ?
I am thinking to translate it into french but not if it so long. I could also make myself a shorter version in french if you agree.
I have got a summary of the Meeting in Brussels (20.02.20) if you are interested : https://www.eurovia.org/report-ecvc-public-conference-new-gmos-seed-patents-... Report: ECVC public conference - New GMOs, seed patents and peasants' rights to seeds Article Brussels, 1 Apr 2020
There is also a video and some speeches are in englisch.
thanks again, bye
Le mar. 31 mars 2020 à 21:38, Ruth Tippe rtippe@keinpatent.de a écrit :
Liebe alle,
hier noch ein paar kleine Korrekturen zum deutschen Text.
Ein schöner Report, Christoph!
Gruß, Ruth Am 27.03.2020 um 17:07 schrieb Christoph Then:
Dear all
please see attached nearly final draft versions of the report in German and English. Longer than expected, but I hope easy reading.
the summary is still missing, the glossary also still has to be integrated. We try to get everything ready next week. We also still have to go to final editing and layout. So please come back with comments needed during next week.
Please do not distribute the draft widely at this stage. If Oxfam wants to inform the Dutch breeders, I think this is ok. However it has to done confidentially.
Further I would not invite them officially for comments - this would mean to delay the report till June. I would offer it as embargoed versions just for their own information. Of course if they want, they can send their comments. But we will offer to integrate these comments or delay the report till they 'agree' or something like that.
If we receive some interesting we will have to make our own decisions within *No Patents on Seeds!* but can not allow these companies to influence our work.
Have a nice weekend, a lot of fresh air and good health.
Christoph
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Dear Anne Charlotte
thanks for the feedback.
I would like to have the full versions first and then we can discuss smaller formats. I guess the summary will be key for this question.
Cheers
Christoph
Am 02.04.20 um 21:02 schrieb Anne-Charlotte Moy:
Dear Christoph, and all
thanks for this work, I read the first version and the last one. It is really interesting but also very long. Do we plan to get a schorter version too, maybe 5 pages ?
I am thinking to translate it into french but not if it so long. I could also make myself a shorter version in french if you agree.
I have got a summary of the Meeting in Brussels (20.02.20) if you are interested : https://www.eurovia.org/report-ecvc-public-conference-new-gmos-seed-patents-...
Report: ECVC public conference - New GMOs, seed patents and peasants' rights to seedsArticle Brussels, 1 Apr 2020
There is also a video and some speeches are in englisch.
thanks again, bye
Le mar. 31 mars 2020 à 21:38, Ruth Tippe <rtippe@keinpatent.de mailto:rtippe@keinpatent.de> a écrit :
Liebe alle, hier noch ein paar kleine Korrekturen zum deutschen Text. Ein schöner Report, Christoph! Gruß, Ruth Am 27.03.2020 um 17:07 schrieb Christoph Then:Dear all please see attached nearly final draft versions of the report in German and English. Longer than expected, but I hope easy reading. the summary is still missing, the glossary also still has to be integrated. We try to get everything ready next week. We also still have to go to final editing and layout. So please come back with comments needed during next week. Please do not distribute the draft widely at this stage. If Oxfam wants to inform the Dutch breeders, I think this is ok. However it has to done confidentially. Further I would not invite them officially for comments - this would mean to delay the report till June. I would offer it as embargoed versions just for their own information. Of course if they want, they can send their comments. But we will offer to integrate these comments or delay the report till they 'agree' or something like that. If we receive some interesting we will have to make our own decisions within /No Patents on Seeds!/ but can not allow these companies to influence our work. Have a nice weekend, a lot of fresh air and good health. Christoph _______________________________________________ Npos_2018 mailing list Npos_2018@testbiotech.de <mailto:Npos_2018@testbiotech.de> https://lists.testbiotech.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/npos_2018_______________________________________________ Npos_2018 mailing list Npos_2018@testbiotech.de <mailto:Npos_2018@testbiotech.de> https://lists.testbiotech.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/npos_2018
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Ruth Tippe