Dear all

we just had a meeting with EPO as announced.

it took around one hour. Johanna prepared some minutes which are however six pages - might take some time to check it (thanks a lot to Johanna, this was really very very fast!)

So in short my quick take away. Please do not spread, we agreed not to run to detailed public communication, but to apply 'something like' chatam house rules (not so cleary defined)):

• on essentially biological processes, they confirmed that they grant patents on plants derived from physico-chemical mutagenes. This would be in line what they grant on bacteria (which are not relevant for Article 53(b)). They agreed that there is room for interpretation whether this practice is in line with G2/07 and G1/08. They see some possibility for the Administrative Council to deal with this issue again and take decision. However they do not see a lot of interest among its members (lot of work for us). They think that most agree on current practice.
  

• on cells: They try to find out if there is unclarity and how to deal with it. We agreed there might be a difference between living cells and products like sugar extracted from the plants. The EPO grants patent on cells cultured in-vitro (which can be used to create whole plants). They are currently assessing this practice.
  

• on scope: They agreed that disclaimers are just an intermediary solution ('it allows the EPO to go on'). They could not tell us whether (in theory) in might be possible to exclude patents on products under Article 53 (b). But they might be interested to check.
  

• on legal biding effect of G3/19 on pending applications: They can not change the decision of G3/19.. They mentioned it would be possible to run patent oppositions in national courts.
  

• on participation in AC meeting: they see our point, there might be further discussions.
  

There seems to be interest for further meetings for exchange of opinion between EPO and Npos after summer break.

So my conclusions: We have a good strategy, our points are valid. We will need more support from the governments. We might choose Austria to take the lead. We should double our efforts in Germany and Netherlands. We should discuss whether the Swiss groups can give us more support by aligning with our strategy. We also should take a closer look on Belgium, Portugal and Denmark.

next activity: another letter to German government, travel to Austria. Read the minutes from Johanna.

cheers

Christoph